The Deeper Reality Behind Rumsfeld’s Resignation: As Don Rumsfeld is tossed overboard by the panicky Bushes [who value loyalty to themselves above all other virtues but never, ever, practice it toward others; there will be many more bodies left behind as the Family rallies to clean up Junior’s mess again].

family friends and their friends have already made their millions if not billions. I’m sure they don’t mind.

All an effort to scare america into not waging wars in order to defend itself and hamper the ability of finding out what people know in order to disrupt future attacks.

Is that pretty much the gist of what is trying to be accomplished here.

That’s a question right.
An effort to ‘Scare’ America…Hmmmm
You mean that hasn’t been the GOP mode of Operation from the beginning?

I have to say I am more scared for my country right now, than I was a couple of weeks ago. I doubt we will have future secys of defense that will do their jobs as recklesly efficient as Mr. Rumsfeld did. What with his imminent prosecution and all.

The goal here is to scare americans into not fighting back. Particularly future secys of defense and future presidents.

The same threat to america that has been the “operating mode” for the GOP is still there. Now america will be made even more afraid to fight back and at the very least defend itself from the very thing that scares them.

It looks like we have some new fearmongers.

“The goal here is to scare americans into not fighting back. Particularly future secys of defense and future presidents.”

“The goal”?
Whose goal is it, rangel?

The goal here is to scare americans into not fighting back. Particularly future secys of defense and future presidents

Meanwhile, somewhere in Germany…(dot.dot.dot.)

Cartoons sparked terror plot in Germany

November 10, 2006

BERLIN — A Lebanese man said that the controversial cartoons of Prophet Mohammed caused him and his accomplice to plot bombing two trains in Germany.

Jihad Hamad, in his first interview since turning himself in to police in Beirut in August, told German public television NDR that he and his accomplice, Lebanese Youssef Mohammed Al Hajdib, wanted to punish Germany because its newspapers had reprinted the controversial caricatures.

The conflict over 12 cartoons depicting Prophet Mohammed, first published in Denmark and then reprinted by newspapers in most European countries, led to a wave of violent protests that cost the lives of many people all over the world.

“Youssef told me that two German newspapers had printed the Mohammed caricatures,” the television station quoted him as saying. “He told me that we could not do nothing. We would go to hell if we did not do anything.”

The two men have admitted to have planted a pair of bombs on two regional trains in western Germany July 31. Luckily, neither device exploded.

Hamad denied reports that the two men had a third accomplice. He also said that the bombs were never intended to explode.

“We wanted to scare people,” he claimed.

“We wanted to scare people”... sound familiar. On the other hand you may be right. Nothing to fear, all is well. Continue prosecuting americans.

“Germany’s laws on torture and war crimes permits the prosecution of suspected war criminals wherever they may be found.”

That is laughable.

I have to say I am more scared for my country right now, than I was a couple of weeks ago. I doubt we will have future secys of defense that will do their jobs as recklesly efficient as Mr. Rumsfeld did

I’m sure the dead American soldiers in Iraq would agree about teh efficiency!

“!http://www.citizenx.cx/img/amusing/animations/ascii/LMFAOTrain.gif!”

No, no senssensibilityr. First you have to put !‘s on both ends of the link, then you have to twirl around your chair three times and click paste.

I still havent figured that shhstuff out.

“I’m sure the dead American soldiers in Iraq would agree about teh efficiency!”

I may not be as sure as you are, as far as what dead people think, but I can only assume that some are rolling around in their graves right now.

btw mista rangel, I’m not talking to you, just quoting your best nuttiness with teh perfect lolz caption.

More GNN comedy gold…

Rangel, the way you posted that article about Muslim cartoon bullshit in a thread that has nothing to do with that shit….awesome.

Or are you saying that Jihad Hamad is the one with “the goal”?
Jihad Hamad engineered Rumsfelds dismissal and the war crimes charges?

Are you Opie?

Well, all comedy is at someone elses expense…

Enjoy.

Well, it was in the news today. It did almost happen… in Germany.

“Germany’s laws on torture and war crimes permits the prosecution of suspected war criminals wherever they may be found.”

Well, as long as Germany has its eye on the ball. Off with Rummy.

“Hamad denied reports that the two men had a third accomplice.”

Bingo. Jihad Hamad is a spook. The third man is the handler.

But his name is jihad…

That’s a double bingo.

“The two men have admitted to have planted a pair of bombs on two regional trains in western Germany July 31. Luckily, neither device exploded.”

Germany should not rely on luck when it comes to terrorism.

Marines’ Reaction to the News: ‘Who’s Rumsfeld?’

From: The New York Times

ZAGARIT, Iraq, Nov. 9 — Hashim al-Menti smiled wanly at the marine sergeant beside him on his couch. The sergeant had appeared in the darkness on Wednesday night, knocking on the door of Mr. Menti’s home.

Since then marines had been on his roof with rifles, watching roads where insurgents often planted bombs.

Mr. Menti had passed the time watching television. Now he had news. He spoke in broken English. “Rumsfeld is gone,” he told the sergeant, Michael A. McKinnon.

“Democracy,” he added, and made a thumbs-up sign. “Good.”

The marines had been on a continuous foot patrol for several days, hunting for insurgents. They were lost in the hard and isolating rhythms of infantry life.

They knew nothing of the week’s news.

Now they were being told by an Iraqi whose house they occupied that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, one of the principal architects of the policies that had them here, had resigned. “Rumsfeld is gone?” the sergeant asked. “Really?”

Mr. Menti nodded. “This is better for Iraq,” he said. “Iraqi people say thank you.”

The sergeant went upstairs to tell his marines, just as he had informed them the day before that the Republican Party had lost control of the House of Representatives and that Congress was in the midst of sweeping change. Mr. Menti had told them that, too.

“Rumsfeld’s out,” he said to five marines sprawled with rifles on the cold floor.

Lance Cpl. James L. Davis Jr. looked up from his cigarette. “Who’s Rumsfeld?” he asked.

rangel The goal here is to scare americans into not fighting back. Particularly future secys of defense and future presidents.

That may be the intent of the far left wack jobs executing this silly antic. However, seriously though. Nobody is going to indict Rumsfeld, and furthermore nobody takes this antic seriously. There is always some far left committe,self appointed, world changing group of people somewhere pulling some cute publicity stunt.

Get over it.

Rights groups set to file Rumsfeld war crimes lawsuit in Germany:

- Katerina Ossenova

[JURIST] The New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) [advocacy website] announced [press release] Thursday that a coalition of US and international human rights groups plan to file a war crimes lawsuit against outgoing US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld [official profile] after his resignation Wednesday. Rumsfeld enjoys statutory immunity in the United States and so CCR, the National Lawyers Guild, the International Federation of Human Rights [advocacy websites] and others will file the complaint in Germany under that country’s universal jurisdiction [AI backgrounder] law. CCR hailed Rumsfeld’s resignation [JURIST report] as “a first step toward accountability,” saying that “under Donald Rumsfeld’s direction – often under his direct orders – the Department of Defense adopted the practices of torture and indefinite detention that CCR is currently challenging in many court cases.” The advocacy group, which represents many detainees at Guantanamo, called on Rumsfeld’s successor to close down Guantanamo Bay [JURIST news archive] and “put an end to the unlawful torture and detention of thousands in the so-called war on terror.”

CCR and four Iraqi citizens initially filed [JURIST report] a war crimes complaint [English translation, PDF] in Germany against Rumsfeld and seven other high-ranking US officials in October 2004, seeking to hold them accountable for acts of torture allegedly carried out at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. The complaint was rejected [JURIST report] by a German prosecutor in February 2005, but in the interim Rumsfeld cancelled a planned trip [JURIST report] to Germany to attend a security conference. A German court later upheld [JURIST report] the prosecutor’s dismissal of the complaint.

and furthermore nobody takes this antic seriously

From article:

DOH!

Germany should not rely on luck when it comes to terrorism

We have ourselves a MENSA member here.

I give all MENSA members free cookies.

Want yours mr. Rangel?

MENSA?

I am a member of no such group.

The recent Military Commissions Act, which was the GOP’s congress last big act passed into law, states that no U.S. official will face trial at ANY War Crimes tribunal. But that doesnt protect war criminals like Rummy if they were to travel to Belgium…

_MENSA?
I am a member of no such group_

um, someone doesn’t get it.

Hey Rangle
WTF are you doing anywhere other than IRAQ?
You should be in Bagdad walking the walk.
Otherwise your talk is all talk.

Go to Iraq you chickenHAWK

And what walk have youy made?

At least I enlisted. At least I tried.

What gives you more of a right to talk?

MENSA?
I am a member of no such group.

Yer don’t say.

Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse: Just days after his resignation, former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld is about to face more repercussions for his involvement in the troubled wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. New legal documents, to be filed next week with Germany’s top prosecutor, will seek a criminal investigation and prosecution of Rumsfeld, along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior US civilian and military officers, for their alleged roles in abuses committed at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison and at the US detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

‘Without any question, [Rumsfeld] has committed War Crimes‘ [VIDEO] Resignation is just the first step…

He’s Out, But Some Still Want Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges

The War Crimes Case Against Donald Rumsfeld: Although Bush has immunized Rumsfeld and others from prosecution in the International Criminal Court, they could be tried in any country under the well-established principle of universal jurisdiction.

Much as I’d love it to happen, it aint gonna happen. He’d just fake his own death if it came to it and live the rest of his days in military solitary confinement – like, say in a five star bunker!

filed!

International Lawyers File Suit against Rumsfeld in Germany

today on Democracy Now!

War Crimes Suit Filed in Germany Against Rumsfeld, Other Top U.S. Officials Over Prisoner Torture: Attorneys with the Center for Constitutional Rights filed a war crimes lawsuit today in Germany against outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and other high-ranking U.S. officials, for their role in the torture of prisoners in Iraq and Guantanamo. We go to Berlin to speak with CCR president Michael Ratner. [listen/watch/read]

Torture Suit Star Witness, Fmr. Abu Ghraib Head Janis Karpinski Points to Signed Rumsfeld Memo Listing Harsh Interrogation Techniques: A group of lawyers filed a lawsuit today calling on German prosecutors to investigate outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for allegedly sanctioning torture. We go to Berlin to speak with former Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, who served as the commanding officer at Abu Ghraib. She is the highest-ranking US military officer reprimanded over the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal. [Listen/Watch/Read]

Plaintiff in Suit Against Rumsfeld Subjected to Sexual, Religious Humiliation at Guantanamo: Guantanamo prisoner Mohammedal-Qahtani is among the plaintiffs named in a war crimes lawsuit filed in Germany today against outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Attorneys with the Center for Constitutional Rights accuse Rumsfeld of being directly involved in the brutal interrogation of al-Qahtani. We speak with his al-Qahtani’s attorney, Gita Gutierrez. [Listen/Watch/Read]

War Crimes Complaint Against Rumsfeld, et al. The evidence file: The November 14, 2006, criminal complaint is a request for the German Federal Prosecutor to open an investigation and, ultimately, a criminal prosecution that will look into the responsibility of high-ranking U.S. officials for authorizing war crimes in the context of the so-called “War on Terror.”

Charge Rumsfeld with War Crimes: If Rumsfeld is going to be held accountable for authorizing torture and other human rights abuses, we need your help.

In case you missed it:

Rumsfeld OK’d Dog Scares, Strips: Newly-released documents on U.S. policy of torturing prisoners show that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld authorized guards to strip detainees and threaten them with dogs.

Short film: Looking back on Rumsfeld’s career

Must see

Rumsfeld Should Be Indicted: Most of the people defending Rumsfeld would take the alibi that he was not personally torturing those people. Saddam Hussein was sentenced to death for killing 182 people, even though he did not pull the trigger himself. Hitler did not kill all the six million Jews in Holocaust himself.

Rumsfeld’s War And War Crimes: With U.S. laws protecting its government officials that are at variance with international laws, Rumsfeld’s war crimes case may eventually go to the UNSC. But there, the USA will veto such resolutions further isolating herself from the rest of the civilized world.

Shifty, we know that you hate Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld. It is part of your personal war on Capitalism. But why so disengenious, just say that you hate Capitalism and tell us why. You are bitter because you want Socialism to prevail and you see now that it won’t, so you are just mad. Why not make a pitch for Socialism rather than bore everyone with your latest hate literature from the far left. Which is nothing more than some nobody going on about the latest conspiracy he has exposed and how we must save the world now.

nobinPoddywodder,

How do you pay your bills? You solar powered or what? Rumsfeld & Co. could care less about you and yours. Do you really think your right wing anything for the cause radicalism is going to get you a place at the table when they’re carving the spoils. Fat chance.

The neocons think of folks like you in the same vein as the Christian
fundamentalists that helped bring them to power.

These folks are the top dogs in their fields cause they are practiced in the arts of pure unadulterated evil.

It has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism. It has to do with right and wrong.

You’re both.

Peace?

Rumsfeld Approved of Torture Says Former US General: Outgoing defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib, the prison’s former US commander said in an interview on Saturday.

ah, wasn’t that pre-empted by the mccain approved torture bill?

Judge Reluctant to Dismiss Torture Suit Against Rumsfeld: A federal judge on Friday appeared reluctant to give Donald H. Rumsfeld immunity from torture allegations, yet said it would be unprecedented to let the departing defense secretary face a civil trial. ‘‘What you’re asking for has never been done before,’‘ US District Judge Thomas F. Hogan told lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union.

Rumsfeld Faces Personal Suit by Detainees

American Civil Liberties Union: In Torture Case Against Rumsfeld, Lawyers Cite “Widespread Pattern” of Abuse, Need for Accountability