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Headlines : InternationalMass murder in Jerusalem
What can we say? After weeks of rocket attacks from Gaza, Hamas called the slaughter, “heroic.” Through a spokesman, Israeli president Olmert said “tonight’s massacre in Jerusalem is a defining moment.” It can only get uglier from here on in…
[Posted By silverback]Republished from BBC
Eight people have been killed and nine wounded by a Palestinian gunman who infiltrated a Jewish seminary in West Jerusalem, Israeli officials say.
Witnesses said the gunman went into a crowded hall during dinner at the Mercaz Harav seminary in the city’s Kiryat Moshe quarter and opened fire.
The assailant, who Israeli police said was a resident of East Jerusalem, was shot dead by an Israeli army officer.
The attack is the worst of its kind in Israel for a number of years.
The White House has led international condemnation but the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas called the attack “heroic” while not claiming responsibility.
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eight compared to over 112?!? which is MASS murder?!?
Both, technically.
Student: I shot the terrorist twice in the head
mass murders
No ordinary seminary. From later in the article.
The fact that the school is at the heart of the settler movement in the occupied West Bank may have been the reason why it was targeted, BBC Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen reports…Many of its students are on special courses that combine religious study with service in combat units in the Israeli army, he notes.
A later BBC report calls it “the ideological cradle of the settler movement in the West Bank.”
In late January, rabbis at the school signed a statement “calling on soldiers to refuse orders to aid in the dismantling of settlements” in “Judea and Samaria” according to the Jerusalem Post.
In 2006 students at the school signed a letter which called on Ehud Olmert to retract his “convergence plans” to remove a few illegal settlements from the West Bank. The signatories vowed to enlist, but not to serve, in the IDF should Olmert’s plan go ahead.
The kind of hypocrisy which can drive people mad is evident in its text:
Useful context.
I’m not sure what kind of context would make it acceptable to shoot up a bunch of kids in a library.
Who said anything about making it acceptable?
It’s not surprising that a deranged arab guy attacked the Mercaz Harav seminary. The existence of such places is a key element of the cycle of violence which this attacker has now perpetuated. Without knowing that Mercaz churns out extreme zionist and racist alumni, this event would seem utterly senseless. It’s clearly not and even if we detest the act of murder, we have to understand where it comes from.
What a load of shit. Mass murder? 8 Palestinian kids get murdered a week but you don’t post an emotive headline about it.
“It can only get uglier from here on in…”
It already got ugly last monday when over a hundred civilians were bombed from a safe distance. Is that heroic?
Cause and effect.
Who said anything about making it acceptable?
no one specifically denoted it was acceptable in the strictest sense, fair to say the “connotation” was there, suggesting it was more acceptable…. or it’s the “lesser” of atrocities numbers wise…
damn dichotomies, always seem to come in pairs..funny that.
The seminaries are the source of some of the ugliest aspects of the conflict. Take this guy, rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, by all accounts a respected seminarian, who said last year that “there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.”
the Jerusalem Post reported him as saying that “According to Jewish war ethics, wrote Eliyahu, an entire city holds collective responsibility for the immoral behavior of individuals. In Gaza, the entire populace is responsible because they do nothing to stop the firing of Kassam rockets.”
And his son then said “If they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand,” said Shmuel Eliyahu. “And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don’t stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop.”
That’s the kind of hate that they generate.
Lurk, point taken – but we need to see everything in its proper context, or everything becomes incomprehensible. The classic tactic of the oppressor is to frame the victims violence as irrational, senseless, psychopathic, and their own as just and reasonable, albeit regrettable. That makes it impossible to see violence for what it is, a social product formed from history, perceived grievances and individual characters all mixed up and interacting.
In other news…
Egypt Walls Up Gaza Border Egypt is building a 13-foot high concrete and rock wall interspersed with watch towers along its narrow boundary with the Gaza Strip to prevent Hamas militants from breaching the border, an official said Thursday…The wall, set back nearly 35 feet from an existing metal barrier, has guard towers every 100 yards. With it, Egypt hopes to prevent any future breaches like one in January when Palestinians broke through to escape an Israeli blockade, a security official said on customary condition of anonymity.
Gaza conditions worst since 1967, aid groups say A coalition of British-based aid organizations has charged that living conditions in Gaza are at their worst point since Israel occupied the strip in 1967 and urged their government to talk to Hamas, in a new report that has drawn virulent rejection from Israel…The report, released by Amnesty International, CARE International, Oxfam UK and three other agencies, warns that 80 per cent of Gazans are now dependent on food aid, compared with 63 per cent two years ago, and unemployment is hovering at about 40 per cent among the general population and a massive 70 per cent in the private sector.
And let’s not allow our eyes to be taken off the Hamas coup that wasn’t, and the U.S. sponsored debacle that was.
Szamko… certainly not directed at you personally, undoubtedly I have mucho deep respect for the work you do in here and I mean that… guess I’m going after that grey cloud of hypocrisy hanging up in the room, always lurking in the background but rarely acknowledged openly and I mean let’s face it… it’s gonna take several truckloads of jews at the very least before the impact of what’s happened makes it anywhere near headline status…
who the fuck pushed this through anyways… I’d bet a months supply of bagels and a Matzo ball the little puke was a joo himself
;)
What a waste… I guess thats how the world works; eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
The classic tactic of the oppressor is to frame the victims violence as irrational, senseless, psychopathic, and their own as just and reasonable, albeit regrettable. That makes it impossible to see violence for what it is, a social product formed from history, perceived grievances and individual characters all mixed up and interacting.
word up that my friend… classic tactic indeed, and what’s really disheartening is to see how often our own variety of this same tactic (perhaps unknowingly) is openly embraced in here having framed one half of the cycle as victim and the other half as psychopathic aggressor from which all the “justice” or justification in here flows like so much milk and honey… which is my point really.
I won’t deny there aren’t legitimate contexts for the above and there’s some legitimacy to it here, but considering the “tactics” used on either side of this particular squabble I’m unable to ignore how such methods can only serve to up the cycle of violence indefinitely, which has been well established for how long now ?
just saddens me that we’ve probably had enough tutorials in this already, and yet the lesson appears to be in need of further demonstration to this day.
like neutered dogs the whole works of us… we keep on trying in spite of the fact we never seem to “get it”
These guys need to listen to another Jew and watch more Star Wars. “Once you start down the dark path, forever it will dominate your destiny.”
How easy to go from “killing 100 didn’t work” to “killing a million should do the trick.” How difficult to go from “killing 100 didn’t work” to “helping 10,000 should do the trick.” How easy it is to overlook that “whatever it takes to make them stop” excludes assistance, so it really isn’t “whatever”, is it?
frankly, i’m getting to the point where i would like an alien force to use a huge intergalactic excavation machine to drop down a huge shovel and gouge out that entire fricken region. israel and palestine.
then after every shred of evidence that any human ever set foot there was removed, it is allowed to return to nature (not unlike the DMZ between north and south korea). no humans allowed.
AND if those aliens have the technology do to the digging, they have the ability to insert a humanicide capsule in the core of every human’s brain such that anyone who utters “israel” or “jewish settlement” or “gaza” or “west bank” in any language for any reason will suffer an instant and painless fatal stroke.
disclaimer: the above statements are the opinions of one of the many personalities of a torn, frustrated, individual who has witnessed countless, injustices he knows no one will ever be held accountable for. the remaining personalities of this individual do not endorse or necessarily agree with the above statements.
^^ Took the words right out of my insane alter ego’s mouth.
I’ve just received word that one of my “alters” finds your descriptive illustration to be rather warm and comforting, in an odd sort of way.
guess I’m going after that grey cloud of hypocrisy hanging up in the room, always lurking in the background but rarely acknowledged openly and I mean let’s face it… it’s gonna take several truckloads of jews at the very least before the impact of what’s happened makes it anywhere near headline status
What bullshit.
Hypocrisy is pushing this headline but not pushing anything about what Israel has done in Gaza.
I love your not so subtle inference that the only reason that someone could have a problem with this is if they are a jew-hater.
Israel are the aggressors. They instantly loose any moral high ground. End of story
I won’t deny there aren’t legitimate contexts for the above and there’s some legitimacy to it here, but considering the “tactics” used on either side of this particular squabble I’m unable to ignore how such methods can only serve to up the cycle of violence indefinitely, which has been well established for how long now ?
Oh, it’s all so confusing and hard to follow.
It’s been going on for thousands of years I think, starting when Palestine was established to destroy Israel…
the maps tell the story
so does the song…
Nice changing of the actual headline, silver.
As I mentioned over at one of Shifty’s headlines, I get the pleasure of watching an Israel vs Palestine shout-off this afternoon.
Both sides are armed with megaphones, signs and bullshit. Apparently this is considered highly dangerous, as there is already one truckload of cops on the scene.
wtf szamko how can u afford lexis-nexis, gimme your pirated pw.
kinda off topic, but if anyone has a spare megaphone, hook me up
there is one sitting 5 feet from me shiftyzor
i say we give an ultimatum both sides.
if they BOTH don’t drink a very tall glass of SHUT THE FUCK UP !!
the REST OF THE WORLD uses the area as nuclear target practice.
whatever it takes to generate silence.
silence from the bickering.
silence from the hate.
silence from the revenge.
silence from the weapons.
silence from the puppetry.
its pure poison from both sides and the rest of the world is sick of it.
I’ve voted for a neutron blast. Leave teh buildings intact…
tactical nukes imo, we should simultaneously undermine MAD/NUT.
No.
i’m taking sides.
MY side.
i don’t want to have to raise my children in a world where these two sets of people mash each other to a pulpy, red slime day after day; year after year. my kids shouldn’t to have to avert their eyes and ears every time the news comes on, a newspaper is published, a radio blurts headlines… or websites chat.
I’d suggest you don’t breed.
QQ antigua, your sitcom was ruined by news of murder!
or actually i got the solution:
KILL YORU KIDS!
Yoru is a lot tougher than he looks.
I’ve gots teh ulwimate sowuitionz; an under water breath holding contest; betwixt the Zionists and the Terrioristies.
All participants must exhale fully(this will be assured by a swift rifle but the the stomach) before they are gently lowered into the dead sea with their concrete shoes. Extra points for those that recite what ever religious prayers that they adhere to…
The winner will be no one but the people that want to live like human beings and tolerate each other and enjoy what short time we are provided…
I love your not so subtle inference that the only reason that someone could have a problem with this is if they are a jew-hater.
ColonicCowboy.. wtf are you talking about. there was no such subtle inference meant to be concealed in that.
I fully agree that Israeli tactics are way out of line, perhaps right from the very start….but there’s never going to be a day on this earth while I’m still above ground that you’ll ever convince me that sauntering into a public place with a bomb strapped around your waist, taking out civilians or kids in a library is justifiable retaliation.
there’s a lot of ugly on both sides of this equation no matter how fanciful the terminology.
There’s a swell undercurrent of anti-semitic name calling fear afoot, JL.
yea, I forget that part sometimes… I say jews, coons, spics, A-rabs and cracker honkys should all get “equal” special treatment.
Is it mass murder when tanks and helicopters fire on residential targets with no regard for children or women or the the law? Or is it termed a military operation?
I mean really? What can you expect people to do when yall do em like that. Yall are clearly rollin in on wheels armored in metal wit gats firin at em through the tiniest windows. Now ya even got guns wit remote control firin on a signal transmitted through video.
They damn near defenseless against this relentless agression. Their babies die for the lack of a simple medicine you deny them the freedom to travel on their own land humiliated at checkpoint by arrogant chumps eager to test their savagery backed up by guns backed up by governments beholden to other men who secretly own it and control it like a corporation courts are takin freedom out the legislature replaced with bondage through the use of legal economics and trickery
but what is the reason for these violent attacks these violent attacks these violent attacks these violent attacks these violent attacks
maybe if yall just fell back and put pulled ya tanks back humbled ya self and gave thanks that the sun shines and grows life continuously the gift that keeps givin even when ya people die they keep livin
FU, i cancelled the cable long ago. i’m off the grid more than you’ll ever be. hell, i split the 1st world.
NEWS has the word NEW in it. there’s nothing new about this. its being going on since i before i was born. i’ve been listening to it since i was young enough to hear. and i’m in my 40’s. it goes on and on and on and on… their is no debate. its all recycled blather.
MISSY, your suggestion is years too late.
but if you procreate (which ain’t gonna happen when you are at home typing on a computer on a friday night), when you become a activist parent and see the world through the eyes of a child… your child, then you’ll understand AND you’ll get angry. cuz if you don’t get angry, you were never an activist. just another keyboard jockey/ political tourist.
well, i’m off to bed. i have a big day with my kids tomorrow.
nuff said on this topic.
i got off a plane and got home and saw this headline in my BBC feed. so i put it up. why didn’t someone post the Gaza bombing earlier in the week? and as for it getting uglier, trust me, it is. it’s going to be a rough summer for the people on both sides of this conflict. i wonder how many people on this thread have actually visited Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, or the occupied territories. i am lucky enough to have had the opportunity and trust me, there there are far more Jews against what is happening in Gaza than for it. it has nothing to do with religion, so please… it’s so fucking inane to bring that in. it’s war. people profit from it, power is enfranchised over it… its a force that gives meaning to power. for everyone else, it’s hell.
shifty, sorry i now see your headline. imo. they are both mass murder. if someone killed 6 of my friends, let alone 112, that’s what i would call it.
ColonicCowboy.. wtf are you talking about. there was no such subtle inference meant to be concealed in that.
Fuck off.
see this?
who the fuck pushed this through anyways… I’d bet a months supply of bagels and a Matzo ball the little puke was a joo himself
stupid inane bullshit with definite implications.
you’ll ever convince me that sauntering into a public place with a bomb strapped around your waist, taking out civilians or kids in a library is justifiable retaliation.
What a ridiculous way to frame it.
Do you know anything about this “school” at all?
israelis are more empowered and thus more empathised with than scum arabs that claim the holy land as the land of their ancestors..
its only mass murder when the israelis tip the 100 person mark.
Fuck off.
see this?
you know what cupcake, considering I been hanging around this joint I dunno prolly 6 years give or take, it’s highly unlikely that’s gonna happen anytime soon .. so you may as well get used to my presence.
stupid inane bullshit with definite implications.
you can’t be serious..you honesty think I’d make a comment like that in earnest ?... you need to catch up son, anyone who’s seen my shit over time would know I’m the last person to adhere to such ridiculous orientations… you saw something I wrote, given you’ve no experience with me what I wrote got your panties in a bunch. try to chill man, you’ve obviously no accurate perspective on the person in behind this Internet characterization.
What a ridiculous way to frame it.
why so, it’s no fucking secret civilians are being targeted on either side of this insanity, that’s simply the basic facts my friend. The only thing I see ridiculous about it is that this shit continues to remain a current aspect of our reality on this planet. That part I actually mean. You wanna get all pissy on me because you’re unable to differentiate between the shit I actually mean with sincerity and off handed remarks, fine with me buttercup, be a fucking diva for all I care.
Do you know anything about this “school” at all?
perhaps about as much as you, which if that’s the case it kinda levels the playing field, unless you were actually there, which I highly doubt which would make both of our perspectives heavily reliant on abstract information… what else is new
This is what that school taught, dumbass. Supremacism
They’re settlers who are armed to the teeth.
Supremacist ethnic cleansers.
Civilians my ass.
so not much on freedom when it comes to dissemination of information are ya huh?
they could could teaching kids how to set Palestinian hobos on fire and ass fuck them while they’re still warm. Are you honesty suggesting this would be good reason to go in there and blow their fucking heads off ?.. cause I’m really curious about that. simple answer would suffice chump.
there’s no end to the volume of data and information out there one could teach about that is highly detrimental to the well being of your basic everyday organism…but really, that’s beside the point, are you actually trying to suggest or convince me that basic everyday people minding their own business in the streets of Israel haven’t been blown to bits via Palestinian retaliation ?.. well then that pretty much ends it for me, considering there’s no chance in hell of me or anyone getting through that iron clad cranium of yours.
jl, my friend of OOOld, how personal would you like your killing and maiming?
i could walk in and blow your head off, personally, or send an rpg…
maybe your point is that killing is pointless?
it has nothing to do with religion, so please… it’s so fucking inane to bring that in.
I wasn’t aware that anyone had….
More background, The national-religious camp’s flagship yeshiva
There’s a lot of genocide in the Book of Joshua.
God doesn’t condone it or permit it: he demands it,
particularly at Jericho.
Rabbis who emphasize this would make dubious noncombatants.
In any case it does seem to have something to do with religion.
Check this one out lday
Non-jews are not men
so not much on freedom when it comes to dissemination of information are ya huh?
I’m not %100 sure that I know what you mean, but I’m not anti free-speech.
If they are allowed to preach their blatant supremacism then I’m allowed to notice it and factor it into the bigger picture.
We do israel as a country no favors when we remain silent.
As Silverback pointed out it’s a minority that are behind all this.
they could could teaching kids how to set Palestinian hobos on fire and ass fuck them while they’re still warm. Are you honesty suggesting this would be good reason to go in there and blow their fucking heads off ?
You’re weird. And a bit yuck.
No, I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that because the settlers all share an ideology which teaches them they are better than non-humans/non-jews then it probably impacts on the situation.
The settlers are the ones that openly state their aims to drive the palestinians out. They are the ones who work on the frontlines of the expulsion program.
They are central players in the conflict.
And IMO if you read what they’re into you start to see where they get their bad attitude
there’s no end to the volume of data and information out there one could teach about that is highly detrimental to the well being of your basic everyday organism…but really, that’s beside the point,
LOL, I don’t think it’s beside the point, K?
are you actually trying to suggest or convince me that basic everyday people minding their own business in the streets of Israel haven’t been blown to bits via Palestinian retaliation ?
No, I’m trying to look to the root of the problem which I see being the occupation.
I’m suggesting that the nasty shit they study in schools like that is used to brainwash them into thinking what they do is justified. It’s important, dammit!
I’m trying to convince you that talk of innocent civilians doesn’t really apply to these student supremacists. How’m I doing?
of course it’s a minority you twit AND i’m not suggesting you remain silent AND I certainly don’t need a yippy little piss ant such as yourself attempting to enlighten me on Zionist behavior/ practices or supremacist thinking patterns in hopes of convincing me it exists, I’m fully aware the model exists on both sides of the equation. Christ dood, not like I haven’t seen enuf of it here from the likes of fetch (dare I utter that word) not to mention wodan and a few others…
I agree the shit needs to be looked at, discussed, investigated very closely as to the thinking that’s involved and more importantly what sort of core based shit the person has going on which gives rise and life to this sort of insanity embraced as a way of life… which I have to say judging from what I’ve seen already makes you a perfect candidate, my conclusion based solely on the severity of your polarized position.
I’m trying to convince you that talk of innocent civilians doesn’t really apply to these student supremacists. How’m I doing?
if you’ve bothered to read any of the above you’ll notice that in some ways you are doing AWESOME !
as far as the rest goes I’d have to say FAIL.... If you’re actually hoping to convince me that blowing off heads is justified when ever students and teachers are found merely gathered in the act of reinforcing to each other what I would call twisted ideology then I say OK, perhaps we oughta re-consider that lobotomy in hopes of releasing you of those tormenting megalomaniac tendencies you seem to be suffering from.
I promise, you won’t feel a thing.
how personal would you like your killing and maiming?
I’ll take mine fresh and still steaming on the roadside please…
with a side of entrails and blood loss to go
I agree the shit needs to be looked at, discussed, investigated very closely as to the thinking that’s involved and more importantly what sort of core based shit the person has going on which gives rise and life to this sort of insanity embraced as a way of life… which I have to say judging from what I’ve seen already makes you a perfect candidate, my conclusion based solely on the severity of your polarized position.
WTF?
Why are you making this about me? What extremist tendencies have I manifested here? You’re full of shit.
But thanks for proving my earlier point by taking every opportunity to try and paint me as some kind of Fetch clone.
You think that by cloaking the core issues with a noxious cloud of ambiguity you are taking the moral high ground, right? You’re the ‘nice’ one because you condemn both sides.
The conflict wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for Israel’s voracious land-theft and obvious persecution of the palestinians.
as far as the rest goes I’d have to say FAIL.... If you’re actually hoping to convince me that blowing off heads is justified when ever students and teachers are found merely gathered in the act of reinforcing to each other what I would call twisted ideology…
FFS, I’m doing nothing of the sort.
I’m saying that the palestinians are being invaded, murdered, and having their land stolen. Look at the maps.
It sounds to me like you expect them to lie down and die. I can see why they are fighting back against Isreal’s actions.
Sometimes the violent path is chosen for you by your opponent. Especially when the only alternative is to simply let them kill and expel your people.
Since this school produces the killers that carry out the expulsions then they are a legitimate target.
...then I say OK, perhaps we oughta re-consider that lobotomy in hopes of releasing you of those tormenting megalomaniac tendencies you seem to be suffering from.
What tendencies are those, fucktard? You haven’t even figured out who I am yet so you must be basing that on this thread. So cite plz, thesaurus rex.
This is just another classic example of how the Palestinians have continually screwed up their quest for liberation – the Israelis respond to Hamas shelling w/ overwhelming force, which kills women and children. A Palestinian madman responds by murdering a bunch of Israeli kids. You can do the moral calculus any number of ways – but they all come down to murder. And it’s never going to get either side anywhere. What I have always found so interesting is how so many “antiwar” people justify Palestinian atrocities because their are the “victims.”
This is just another classic example of how the Palestinians have continually screwed up their quest for liberation
I’m not disagreeing with that but:
the Israeli’s don’t screw up their so-called ‘search for peace?’
‘ve do not haff any negotiaitng pardner’ etc. etc. ad infinitum
More attempts at ‘peace’ from Israel
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/06/content_7733391.htm
“the Israeli’s don’t screw up their so-called ‘search for peace?’”
Of course they do, but that’s another thread, eh?
Any group meeting in isolation while among a people considered different will seem sinister. When that group is associated with a government that acts in harmony with the groups teachings you gotta wonder. It seems that every jewish person is obligated by the israeli govt to serve in the military. Which is in effect madating their participation in the oppression of people who were born there for generations. Imagine if every black person saw every white person as a person who was required to serve in the LAPD or any PD that has the murder of black people in its record.
Whatever though. Its almost too thowzin twelv.
This is just another classic example of how the Palestinians have continually screwed up their quest for liberation
And don’t “jounalists” like you pounce on them when they do…
What should their quest for liberation look like?
How much of their land should they give up before they fight back?
Wating for the world to see Israel’s tactics for what they are hasn’t worked so well.
the Israelis respond to Hamas shelling w/ overwhelming force, which kills women and children.
No shelling. Useless unguided rockets that usually fall in empty fields.
A Palestinian madman responds by murdering a bunch of Israeli kids.
Madman? Murdering? Kids? Do you even realize that you are spinning this?
Why do you label the palestinian a madman yet you have no unkind words for the Israeli instigators?
He’s a murderer but not the IDF, right? They are responders.
They weren’t fucking kids, they were talmudic rabbinical students. The place was full of IDF soldiers and settlers and is the driving force behind the settler movement.
This was not a place where children learned math.
You are as bad as all the MSM who’ve been saying that hamas “violently seized power” when in fact they were elected. Giving this story about 50 times the coverage they have given to Israeli actions preceeding it.
I love this part of the BBC article;
“Another man told the BBC that there had been “terrible scenes” inside the building afterwards.
“When we got in… we saw young, 15-, 16-year-old guys lying on the floor with their Bibles in their hands – all dead…” he said.”
ORLY? Bibles? Won’t that just pluck the heartstrings of the west’s christians.
Unfortunately it’s a lie…
You can do the moral calculus any number of ways – but they all come down to murder. And it’s never going to get either side anywhere.
You skim over the fact that nothing they do will ever get the palestinians anywhere.
Israel are stealing their land and will never stop.
Get a fucking clue.
What I have always found so interesting is how so many “antiwar” people justify Palestinian atrocities because their are the “victims.”
Read carefully: Israel want war. They chose it. The palestinians are the victims.
Are you saying that violent resistance is never justified?
Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah has ordered the reconstruction of all demolished Palestinian homes in Gaza as a result of Israeli attacks, Health Minister Dr. Hamad Al-Manie said in comments published yesterday.
Haha, suck it settlers
You skim over the fact that nothing they do will ever get the palestinians anywhere.
Murdering civilians has worked so well. If you haven’t noticed, there have been other liberation movements in the last 100 years that didn’t use these kinds of tactics, and they have, surprisingly enough, been much more successful. As long as Palestinians condone the use of suicide bombers, etc. they will never get the kind of international leverage they need to stop Israel. Murders like this play right into the Israelis’ hands.
If you haven’t noticed, there have been other liberation movements in the last 100 years that didn’t use these kinds of tactics, and they have, surprisingly enough, been much more successful.
Afghanistan ejected russia, and soon they will eject the US. Maybe the palestinians are warming to that model.
It seemed to work pretty well in lebanon.
And how can you blame them if they are giving up hope of any other outcome?
Israel have kidnapped large numbers of their elected government and are threatening to kill them.
The members of this college that got attacked are talking about expelling everyone from gaza.
Do you really think that a palestinian who has been directly effected by Israels actions should give a shit what you and the other hacks say?
Should he believe that if he just holds back from finally losing it and shooting some of the extremist settlers who plague him that he’ll tip the scales somehow?
(ask szam to link you to some stories about israel rejecting peace offers and two state solutions.)
Murders like this play right into the Israelis’ hands.
Only because it allows the media to spin it to their advantage.
Look at you for example, still talking about murdering civilians. These weren’t civilians.
You need to go back and read every word and link that szamko posted in this thread.
The media down here were very silent about Israels attacks in gaza. When the eventually covered it they called it a “humanitarian crisis”, like their freaking crops failed or something.
I’d bet a years pay it was even worse in your neck of the woods.
There is a heavy bias against palestine in the MSM, that’s why there’s a backlash against it on a site like this.
Why do you need this explained to you?
I wasn’t aware that anyone had
i guess that when i start reading shit like “joo” and bagels etc. that implies religion for me.
Sigh.
it has nothing to do with religion, so please… it’s so fucking inane to bring that in.
Dude. What the fuck?! Nothing to do with it? Ha-Olam Ha-Lo Yehudi? Goyim? A fucking Menorah? Nobody teaching Talmud in Eretz Israel? Straight up, how many examples of canonical racism do you require to concede that this shit absolutely has AT LEAST SOMETHING to do with religion? Just let me know. I will kindly oblige.
Murdering civilians has worked so well.
It worked pretty fucking well for the United States over the past two centuries.
If you haven’t noticed, there have been other liberation movements in the last 100 years that didn’t use these kinds of tactics, and they have, surprisingly enough, been much more successful.
Which of those success stories (you failed to specify one) was waged from within the largest concentration camp in world history? Motherfuckers surround you with 200 miles of 30ft wall, wrap that shit in barbed-wire, put the clamp on your ability to get to and from work or the market, and then start leveling your neighborhood with hellfire missiles and shooting kids (maybe even yours) for sport and you honestly think you would maintain that moral high-horse of composure and not suffer from the slightest bit of bloodlust? I have always found that complete lack of connection with reality interesting. Well, gee-golly-whiz… You Palestinian folks sure are getting the corncob up the ass, but just be the bigger people and stop clinching that ass. Just submit. Or die. Whatever you do, you better not fight back. You fuck up and do that, them Jews are just gonna kill you faster. Take it slow, baby. Take it slow. Slow and steady. Show that master race.
This is just another classic example of how the Palestinians have continually screwed up their quest for liberation – the Israelis respond to Hamas shelling w/ overwhelming force, which kills women and children. A Palestinian madman responds by murdering a bunch of Israeli kids.
Yes, this one crazed shooter represents “the Palestinians” and all of his people should be punished accordingly.
Cant wait for 2012.
Murdering civilians has worked so well. If you haven©t noticed, there have been other liberation movements in the last 100 years that didn©t use these kinds of tactics, and they have, surprisingly enough, been much more successful.
NONE of them were facing such religiously fanatical rabid racists, convinced of their absolute inate ‘superiority’, not just in relation to their victims but to everyone else in the whole world, drummed into to them by years of programing designed to convince them of their total and absolute victimhood, and with a superpower to back them up so that they never face any meaningful censure nor face the possibility that there may be any adverse consequences to any action they may decide to take, in asserting their right to behave like particularly vindictive childish mass murders.
Dude. What the fuck?! Nothing to do with it? Ha-Olam Ha-Lo Yehudi? Goyim? A fucking Menorah? Nobody teaching Talmud in Eretz Israel? Straight up, how many examples of canonical racism do you require to concede that this shit absolutely has AT LEAST SOMETHING to do with religion? Just let me know. I will kindly oblige.
Doode – don’t you know that Israel is ‘a democracy?’ Apparently religion has nothing to do with it – Jewish people are after all a race not a religion! (/sarc)
I guess that when i start reading shit like ‘joo’ and bagels etc. that implies religion for me.
I think that was JustLurking interjecting with his apparently unique brand of apparently non-racist of humour, but I could be wrong.
I think in the business it’s called, a reverse-Shogo. You get the idea of racism into people minds any way you can, it doesn’t matter if the charge has any validity or not.
Like when someone says
and someone immediatley posts, in a faux ironic way, of course:
thus smearing the original commentator with the slur of ‘Anti-semite’, warranted or not
That at least was my impression of what occured.
I may be wrong though, it has been known to happen in the past
That at least was my impression of what occured.
my bad… quickly read over JL’s post and assumed it was the same old shit.
Just let me know. I will kindly oblige.
well there’s another way of looking at Israel. sure, you have the hardcore militant Zionists on the frontline of the occupation. you need them there if the US’ Middle Eastern aircraft carrier is to survive. but after spending two years interviewing top middle eastern specialists for my doc, i can tell you that both Arab and non-Arab thinkers generally refute the idea that this conflict is about religion. it’s about controlling land by maintaining a US puppet regime. yes, at the base level, it’s about religion. but veri, come on, you’re not there are you? you think the US gives $2.75 B a year because of religion? no. but i have been to Israel and the occupied territories, and it’s the thinnest minority who actually believe this is about religion. only the hammerheads who are necessary to perpetuate the battle do it for G-d or Allah. everyone else knows its about suppressing an insurgent indigenous minority.
except, of course, the evangelicals here. these settlers you’re all talking about? they are victims as much as anyone. they were brought in and “settled” as a barrier against the Palestinians. of course they are the most fundamentalist now, they’ve been told G-d gave them the land… and when it’s being taken away, they look up, not across.
again, after having spent time there… and even with al Aqsa Brigades leader Zachariah Zubeidi, i was told time and time again, ‘do not impute religion as a cause here.’ so that is now my lens for viewing this conflict.
If you haven’t noticed, there have been other liberation movements in the last 100 years that didn’t use these kinds of tactics, and they have, surprisingly enough, been much more successful
Like the Algerian Liberation movement and the liberation movement the IRA conducted (Northern Ireland). Oh wait, those are two of the most successful aren’t they?
don’t you know that Israel is ‘a democracy?’
Well Israel is the best kind of democracy, the kind where a percentage of the people in the country don’t get to vote or have a say in things because they aren’t vampires or Jewish or whatever. What is more democratic than a country where you can’t vote if you aren’t a member of the right ethnic group/religion? Racist democracy = #1!!
sure, you have the hardcore militant Zionists on the frontline of the occupation.
For some strange reason I have the impression that they run the country.
you need them there if the US’ Middle Eastern aircraft carrier is to survive.
Maybe. Could be the other way around.
but after spending two years interviewing top middle eastern specialists for my doc, i can tell you that both Arab and non-Arab thinkers generally refute the idea that this conflict is about religion.
Define non-Arab. I am always tickled by specialist thinking because it is by-and-large secularist conjecture and coming from individuals not directly involved in any actual policy-making.
it’s about controlling land by maintaining a US puppet regime.
Come on, man! You know damn well that the prevailing attitude at the top of the food chain there is that Israel dictates US foreign policy in the region; and that reality is far from a secret in the District of Columbia. Do I really need to bring out 50 years of direct quotes from the biggest players from both American and Israeli politics highlighting that fact? I can.
yes, at the base level, it’s about religion.
Sure is. Controlling the land is certainly also a part of it; but for a purpose beyond what secular thinkers are prepared to consider.
but veri, come on, you’re not there are you?
Nope. Guess that disqualifies me from having an educated opinion on the subject.
you think the US gives $2.75 B a year because of religion? no.
If you are going to answer for me, why ask in the first place? Actually, yes. It is absolutely because of religion; so long as you can open your mind to the existence of the occult influence. After all, G is for Yod. But if you deny that reality, then… well, you deny it and I doubt any amount of fact regurgitation is going to change that.
everyone else knows its about suppressing an insurgent indigenous minority.
How many IDF troops that have actually done some killing that you spoke with would you lump into everyone else?
I certainly appreciate the perspective your travels have refined, much respect; but how does Zubeidi emphasizing to you that the struggle has nothing to do with religion for al Aqsa (obviously, survival is their primary motivation) have any bearing on my observation that Israeli hostilities are ultimately, at the top, justified through canonical racism?
We must expel Arabs and take their places.
- — David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.
- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.
- — Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.
How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.
- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.
This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.
- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971
Riding the Third Rail of GNN! Hang on tight!
The BBC is shit. It’s been taken over by jews. It buries news about jew atrocities, calls all murdered Palestinians militants (even when they are babies), and makes out dead jews are all innocent religious innocents (when almost all them are foaming-at-the-mouth Nazi jews who have spent years murdering children and committing war crimes).
lying on the floor with their Bibles in their hands Nazi bastards.
Wow…
AS2’s Third Rail blog still exists, despite the banning… 50 blog votes.
isn’t the definition of a “massacre” or “murder” when one individual kills another unarmed individual intentionally without the pretext of defense?
See, we can agree that they were both massacres, and differ on something called scale.
Agreement! Yay!
If someone walked into a building in the US and killed 9 people in an attempt to kill as many as possible, I think most people would call it a massacre or mass murder. Unless maybe it has to be at least 13 (Columbine)? Is that the technical definition?
my bad… quickly read over JL’s post and assumed it was the same old shit.
sorry, silver…. my comments were intentionally off the cuff being that discussions of this kind are just way too easy to predict in that it’ll be one, horribly polarized and two, you can almost always look forward to some fuck yippin off about how the joo’s did it while the opposing camp goes hysterical over the anti-semitic connotations…
umm yea, guess you’re right… same old shit after all
This is just another classic example of how the Palestinians have continually screwed up their quest for liberation – the Israelis respond to Hamas shelling w/ overwhelming force, which kills women and children. A Palestinian madman responds by murdering a bunch of Israeli kids. You can do the moral calculus any number of ways – but they all come down to murder. And it’s never going to get either side anywhere. What I have always found so interesting is how so many “antiwar” people justify Palestinian atrocities because their are the “victims.
nice summation… the really sad thing about this is innocent civilians, women and children are dying at the hands of knee jerk, out of pure desperation… “fuck it I’m gonna blow myself and anyone I can take with me in the center of town”... retaliation tactics which are horribly ineffective at achieving little else other than… “fuck it I’m gonna blow myself and anyone I can take with me in the center of town” and… an even stronger more aggresive response from Israel
Murdering civilians has worked so well
indeed, yet another notion I was gonna add to this clusterfuck of a discussion….
Since this school produces the killers that carry out the expulsions then they are a legitimate target.
ah yes, there it is… had more or less given up on you altogether, somewhat glad I chose to give it a another look for the hell of it… wouldn’t have caught this bit of ugly rearin it’s head otherwise
Newsweek: 64% of Israelis Want Talks With Hamas NOW
ah yes, there it is… had more or less given up on you altogether, somewhat glad I chose to give it a another look for the hell of it… wouldn’t have caught this bit of ugly rearin it’s head otherwise
Did you read the article, moron?
The fact that the school is at the heart of the settler movement in the occupied West Bank may have been the reason why it was targeted, BBC Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen reports.
Many of its students are on special courses that combine religious study with service in combat units in the Israeli army, he notes.
See that? NOT children.
IDF soldiers and extremist settlers who kill palestinians and take their land.
If I was a palestinian I would certainly consider them a legitimate target.
Why don’t you see that?
an even stronger more aggresive response from Israel
Yeah, that’s what israel does. They “respond”.
pffft
how’s it goin’ aaron?
Twisted: Israel may be using Thermobaric Weapons
If I was a palestinian I would certainly consider them a legitimate target.
Why don’t you see that?
the problem here is not that I’m unable to understand your methods of thinking and logic you’re using to arrive at these positions and overall views, I get that. Your difficulty lies in the fact that I still think it’s fucked and am unwilling to support it. This appears to be causing you significant irritation, whereas I’m of the opinion you’re pretty much a kook and won’t lose any sleep over it I’m sure…
Here’s the kind of thing we should be supporting.
I don’t get it. Are they using their Jedi mind powers to make those guns fly into their hands for a point-blank shootout? That’s totally badass, but how is that going to solve anything?
I think the jpeg is self-explanatory.
well except the fact that it’s a gif…
hehheh
And who shakes hands by extending their left hand?
Well thank you, Captain Obvious.
Edit: Just so you know, I was using a form of humour whereby I pretended not to know the intended meaning of an image that was in actuality quite clear in order to juxtapose it with one that was diametrically opposed – which was intended to cause the reader to chuckle and/or guffaw at the resulting dissonance between attributed and actual meaning.Edit x2: Seriously.
Are they using their Jedi mind powers to make those guns fly into their hands for a point-blank shootout?
No, no, no, Tango. They are using their Jedi mind powers to repel the rifles so they can perform the ancient left-handed cock coddle of peace.
“I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We’ve created life in our own image.”
-Stephen Hawking