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Forum : "War on Terror"
R301821
1 year ago
bacchus

Former NYPD officer and WTC first responder Craig Bartmer speaks out;

R301850
1 year ago
number6x

“September 11th changed everything”

That is an extraordinary claim. I really don’t think most people understand what the word ‘everything’ means.

To mathematicians and people who work with logic, all that it takes to disprove the statement is to find one thing that has not changed.
If one little thing did not change, then ‘everything’ has not changed.

Before Sept. 11th one plus one equaled two.
After Sept. 11th one plus one equaled two.

This proves the ‘everything’ did not change. There are actually many more things that didn’t change: – The charge to mass ratio on the electron – Avagadro’s number – The gravitational constant – The speed of light in vacuum

As a matter of fact, in all of reality, most things were completely unchanged by the events of September 11th.

The universe is mind boggle-ingly huge.

It is true that some things did change: – The outpouring of charity and support for the families of the victims was unprecedented – Our willingness to support a an unjust war against a foe who was not involved with the attack on Sept. 11th. – Our willingness to give up our freedom and liberty for a promise of protection

One more thing that did not change on September 11th.
In 1994 Dick Cheney told us that invading Iraq and toppling Saddam Hussein would result in complete chaos and civil war.
September 11th did not change this fact.

Our troops are now mired in that chaos and civil war.

If he knew about the chaos and civil war, why did he say it would be easy?

“September 11th changed everything”

You now know that this statement is provably false.
Stating things that are false is called lying.

(Ps. bacchus, thank you for the link to that video. I found officer Bartmer’s statements to be some of the most reasoned I have heard. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I am not satisfied with the results of the 9-11 report. I don’t think it was really a cover up, as much as I think our leadership feels that deciding on an answer and assigning blame is ‘for the greater good’. They aren’t interested in truth, as much as they are in coming to a decision so they can close a chapter of history. Its kind of like the mental gymnastics that fuels fundamentalists. Look the answer is here, on this piece of paper, do not question! quit looking further the answer has been determined.)

R301851
1 year ago
mercenary

You now know that this statement is provably false. – Bill Maher agrees, and so do I.

the warfare state – is this a term you coined? I like it; it’s a bit like the welfare state wealthy middle class Canadians complain about. Can I use it?

R301882
1 year ago
Unite

Great article, and number6x, great comment.

R301894
1 year ago
bacchus

much more 9-11 WTC first responder eyewitness testimony

R302000
1 year ago
bacchus

“I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.” – Rudy Giuliani, 9/11/01, describing the collapse of the first tower. Who told Rudy it was going to collapse?

R302002
1 year ago
bacchus

Who told the BBC that WTC7 was going to collapse?

R302003
1 year ago
bacchus

more on foreknowledge here

R302008
1 year ago
bacchus

...if the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center had succeeded, “the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it. Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America’s fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. Like Pearl Harbor, the event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either future terrorist attacks or U.S. counterattacks. Belatedly, Americans would judge their leaders negligent for not addressing terrorism more urgently.”

- Philip D. Zelikow, from Catastrophic Terrorism Foreign Affairs, Nov/Dec 1998; Zelikow was the Executive Director of the 9-11 Commission, coauthor of a book with Condoleeza Rice, principal member of G.W. Bush’s ‘transition team.’

more on Zelikow:

While at Harvard he worked with Ernest May and Richard Neustadt on the use, and misuse, of history in policymaking. They observed, as Zelikow noted in his own words, that “contemporary” history is “defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public’s presumptions about its immediate past. The idea of ‘public presumption’,” he explained, “is akin to William McNeill’s notion of ‘public myth’ but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word ‘myth.’ Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community.”[1]”

Zelikow and May have also authored and sponsored scholarship on the relationship between intelligence analysis and policy decisions. Zelikow later helped found a research project to prepare and publish annotated transcripts of presidential recordings made secretly during the Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon administrations (see WhiteHouseTapes.org) and another project to strengthen oral history work on more recent administrations, with both these projects based at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center of Public Affairs.

In writing about the importance of beliefs about history, Zelikow has called attention to what he has called “‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events [that] take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene. In the United States, beliefs about the formation of the nation and the Constitution remain powerful today, as do beliefs about slavery and the Civil War. World War II, Vietnam, and the civil rights struggle are more recent examples.” He has noted that “a history’s narrative power is typically linked to how readers relate to the actions of individuals in the history; if readers cannot make a connection to their own lives, then a history may fail to engage them at all.”[1]

R302043
1 year ago
bacchus

from CBS NEWS

What would you do for $2,300,000,000,000??

(CBS) On Sept. 10, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, “the adversary’s closer to home. It’s the Pentagon bureaucracy,” he said.

He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.

“In fact, it could be said it’s a matter of life and death,” he said.

Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11— the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten.

Just last week President Bush announced, “my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending.”

More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.

“According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions,” Rumsfeld admitted.

$2.3 trillion — that’s $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.

“We know it’s gone. But we don’t know what they spent it on,” said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.

Minnery, a former Marine turned whistle-blower, is risking his job by speaking out for the first time about the millions he noticed were missing from one defense agency’s balance sheets. Minnery tried to follow the money trail, even crisscrossing the country looking for records.

“The director looked at me and said ‘Why do you care about this stuff?’ It took me aback, you know? My supervisor asking me why I care about doing a good job,” said Minnery.

He was reassigned and says officials then covered up the problem by just writing it off.

“They have to cover it up,” he said. “That’s where the corruption comes in. They have to cover up the fact that they can’t do the job.”

The Pentagon’s Inspector General “partially substantiated” several of Minnery’s allegations but could not prove officials tried “to manipulate the financial statements.”

Twenty years ago, Department of Defense Analyst Franklin C. Spinney made headlines exposing what he calls the “accounting games.” He’s still there, and although he does not speak for the Pentagon, he believes the problem has gotten worse.

“Those numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year,” he said.

Another critic of Pentagon waste, Retired Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, commanded the Navy’s 2nd Fleet the first time Donald Rumsfeld served as Defense Secretary, in 1976.

In his opinion, “With good financial oversight we could find $48 billion in loose change in that building, without having to hit the taxpayers.”

R302052
1 year ago
bacchus

A man named Dov Zakheim, a dual Israeli/American citizen was the Pentagon Comptroller and CFO at the time of the $2.3 Trillion ‘misplacement.’ Dov Zakheim reportedly “was (is?) Corporate VP1 at System Planning Corporation, a major player in the “Homeland Security” industry. One of the products that SysPlan sells is the Command Transmitter System, a remote control system for planes, boats, missiles and other vehicles. It’s highly customizable and configurable to interface with an almost limitless number of vehicle types.” Zakheim is also co-author of the PNAC document ‘rebuilding America’s defenses’ which called for ‘a new Pearl Harbor’ to advance the radical transformation of America’s foreign policy and defense industry.

R302053
1 year ago
Phoenix2008

Ahh shit, I missed 911 without setting off fireworks..

Damn… well 912 is as good a day as ever.

R302189
1 year ago
ShiftShapers

9-11, Six Years Later

By Paul Craig Roberts

When faced with disturbing events, the Romans asked a question, “Cui bono?” Who benefits? This question was conspicuously absent from the official investigation.

click here to read more » » »

R302190
1 year ago
ShiftShapers

Remembering The Atrocities Of 9/11 – 34 Years Ago

By NY Transfer

Some of us have been marking the atrocities of September 11 for 34 years. On September 11, 1973, Nixon, Kissinger and their pals at ITT went beyond “making the Chilean economy scream” and enjoyed a full-blown military assault against Chile which began the bloody fascist coup there. Here is a very brief history of that September 11.

click here to read more » » »

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